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That makes sense. Thanks a lot!The frequentati...Oh! That makes sense. Thanks a lot!<BR/><BR/>The frequentative meaning of <I>-eln</I> is long dead -- if I hadn't read about it, I'd have never guessed it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33245564.post-17466721515274407232007-03-14T18:21:00.000+01:002007-03-14T18:21:00.000+01:00Duden says that it's 16th century schoolboy slang,...Duden says that it's 16th century schoolboy slang, and suggests it's primarily from intensifying MHG <I>buffen</I> 'hit', secondarily from Büffel in the sense of 'work as hard as a buffalo'.<BR/><BR/>I assume that <I>buffen</I> is related to French <I>buffe</I>, whence English <I>buffet</I> (the verb). And that the original metaphor is like the English "hit the books".MMcMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18050858208942064042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33245564.post-29397597345532119622007-02-16T12:51:00.000+01:002007-02-16T12:51:00.000+01:00So, cramming for an exam is an eminently exotic ac...So, cramming for an exam is an eminently exotic activity and therefore associated with an exotic animal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33245564.post-61463558905843633782007-02-13T02:26:00.000+01:002007-02-13T02:26:00.000+01:00Lutz Mackensen's etymological dictionary of German...Lutz Mackensen's etymological dictionary of German says <I>büffeln</I> is after an earlier noun <I>büffelerbeit</I> 'buffalo work' (used by Luther). The noun <I>Büffel</I> is immediately from Latin <I>bufalus</I>, a byform of <I>bubalus</I>, itself straight from Greek.Languagehathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285708503881129380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33245564.post-43028753932802010682007-02-13T00:09:00.000+01:002007-02-13T00:09:00.000+01:00But what does it have to do with a buffalo? Did th...But what <B>does</B> it have to do with a buffalo? Did the Greeks come up with a word for "working hard" (I'm thinking along the lines of French <I>bosser</I> here) based on something as exotic as a buffalo, and then some 19th century students brought that into German??? ~:-| ~:-| ~:-|Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33245564.post-22445575263121224082007-02-12T21:12:00.000+01:002007-02-12T21:12:00.000+01:00Steve,Presumably they have the etyma locked up in ...Steve,<BR/><BR/><I>Presumably they have the etyma locked up in a cabinet in their office, and are hoarding them for their own pleasure.</I><BR/>Knowing our academic milieu, I cannot help but think that this is a very charitable comment :o) I am planning to address this and other problems in Part 3 or 4. In the mean time, suffice it to say that I have been informed (IRL) that an etymological dictionary is in the works.<BR/><BR/>johanka,<BR/>I am assuming that <I>biflovať sa</I> - D <I>büffeln</I> - D <I>Büffel</I> - Gr. βουβάλι/βούβαλος.bulbulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505565281151328789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33245564.post-50496160013428619392007-02-12T17:57:00.000+01:002007-02-12T17:57:00.000+01:00I totally agree with Languagehat's comment here.Wh...I totally agree with Languagehat's comment here.<BR/><BR/>Which Greek word is the origin for <EM>bifľovať sa</EM>?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33245564.post-29801506229200462492007-02-12T15:11:00.000+01:002007-02-12T15:11:00.000+01:00Oh, how depressing. Why would you go to all the t...Oh, how depressing. Why would you go to all the trouble of putting out a massive dictionary, intended to be authoritative, and not include etymological information beyond what language a word is borrowed from (and even that only sometimes)? Presumably they have the etyma locked up in a cabinet in their office, and are hoarding them for their own pleasure. Are Slovaks not supposed to be interested in where their words come from??Languagehathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285708503881129380noreply@blogger.com