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2010-01-23T03:07:45.110+01:00

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2009-11-16T10:50:49.722+01:00

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beyond, I don't think [István Deák]'s ...

2009-10-21T21:24:09.341+02:00
beyond,

I don't think [István Deák]'s a liar.
Neither do I. I just think he's stupid (because he doesn't know what he's talking about) and/or full of shit (because he doesn't care). Apparently he hasn't even bothered to read the HHRF press release which correctly notes that only legal entities can be fined. Instead he goes on about how "the Slovak parliament made it largely illegal for its citizens to use any language other than Slovak". Yeah, right.
How the report underscore's at least some of his nightmare scenarios I just don't see. If it underscores anything it's the dumbfuckery behind the law and its application: the reporters asked the Ministry of Culture. The Ministry referred them to Slovak Trade Inspection which is charged with enforcing the provisions of the act, only the Ministry also said the STI should consider the relevant provisions of the Advertisement Act. And STI (which normally handles complaints about goods and services) said "We'll look into it". So basically nobody knows how to handle this.

why shouldn't a private company be able to...
Don't look at me, I don't understand it either. I'm pretty sure it has something to with "them" who are trying to take away our... Something.

What's so illegal about this in Slovakia?
In this particular case, it's illegal because 357/2009, section 8, subsection 6 says so ("All ... advertisements ... on the sides of roads and above them ... shall be in the official language").
Is it right? Fuck no. Is it stupid, narrowminded and petty? Fuck yes. Should the whole Act be repealed and its authors hung by the town hall? Right fucking now. Preferrably alongside those who used their stupidy to further their own divisive agendas.

so I read Mr. Deak's post too. While it certai...

2009-10-21T20:27:55.938+02:00
so I read Mr. Deak's post too. While it certainly seems to be biased, I don't think he's a liar.
This news report actually appears to underscore at least some of the Hungarian nightmare scenarios. Seriously: why shouldn't a private company be able to post a paid billboard advertisement of a Hungarian publication in Hungarian? What's so illegal about this in Slovakia?

Anon, first of all, that translation is inaccurat...

2009-10-14T17:28:25.756+02:00
Anon,

first of all, that translation is inaccurate. Section 3.2 doesn't say "The employees and state employees of organs and natural persons", but "The employees and state employees of government bodies and legal persons ". Secondly, the note to section 3.1 gives two specific examples of such bodies and legal persons established by law - social security administration and public health insurance companies. Third, while section 3.2 does specifically mention transport, whether this refers to the Železničná spoločnosť Slovensko, a state-owned joint stock company, as the sole provider of railroad transport of persons and the employer of our hypothetical conductor, that's really one for the courts.

Read the law: (2) The employees and state employ...

2009-10-14T16:44:26.942+02:00
Read the law:

(2) The employees and state employees of organs and natural persons, based on paragraph 1, of
TRANSPORT, postal service, telecommunication, as well as the members of the Armed Forces of the
Slovak Republic (hereinafter referred to only as “armed forces”), Armed Services and Fire
Departments are obliged to command and use the state language in official contact.”

Yeah, I was talking about the spoken languages. Po...

2009-10-14T01:12:25.904+02:00
Yeah, I was talking about the spoken languages. Polish spelling is nicely regular once you've understood the rules, but the rules are... let's just say that for each consonant you need, on average, two letters...

Sometimes it looks like we're on our way to Austria-Hungary 2.0 :)

Ah. If any of the Mitteleuropa/Donauraum ideologists are still alive, they'll love it :-)

(My dad used to work for them, at various "scientific" "research" "institutes" with three pairs of scare quotes. He came back deeply disgusted and cynical.)

BTW, monarchist bumper stickers have been seen in Austria.

David, yeah, Polish > Czech works just as well...

2009-10-13T09:50:08.968+02:00
David,

yeah, Polish > Czech works just as well as Slovak > Czech. Except with Slovak, you don't have to get used to the craaaazy orthography first.

Just give it a decade is what I meant to say.
Well, ok, not all of the two countries. But large chunks of them, definitely, what with people buying properties and taking jobs across the border. Same thing happening with Austria. Sometimes it looks like we're on our way to Austria-Hungary 2.0 :)

Knut Vollebæk was a Christian Democrat Foreign Min...

2009-10-13T09:00:57.920+02:00
Knut Vollebæk was a Christian Democrat Foreign Minister in Norway.

There I go, laughing all the time about that list ...

2009-10-13T02:11:07.668+02:00
There I go, laughing all the time about that list of right-wing parties (some of whom of course sound familiar from Austrian or French backgrounds), about the delicious snark of calling Mečiar "pater patriae", and then suddenly comes...

and don't you get me started about the right

ROTFLMAO!

So is it in fact true what 3.5 implies, that understanding Slovak provides an understanding of Czech, at least at the level of "basic intelligibility"?

Even of Polish in my experience.

Looking at the border now, I'm pretty sure the two countries will merge quite naturally. Just give a decade.

...?

No bulbulshit here. (Sorry.)

2009-10-13T00:14:17.556+02:00
No bulbulshit here.

(Sorry.)

Twisted ankle, IIRC :)

2009-10-12T23:29:59.414+02:00
Twisted ankle, IIRC :)

You didn't happen to apply to Pembroke in '...

2009-10-12T23:24:13.377+02:00
You didn't happen to apply to Pembroke in '96, did you? With a broken leg?

John, despite the wording, I don't think the a...

2009-10-12T21:28:07.897+02:00
John,
despite the wording, I don't think the authors meant to imply what you inferred, I think they were referring to that common legacy.
But to answer your question: my immediate answer would be yes, it does.

kalebeul,
Nah, didn't work in the past, won't work now. Looking at the border now, I'm pretty sure the two countries will merge quite naturally. Just give a decade.

Some measures are more liberal, some more authorit...

2009-10-12T19:14:46.029+02:00
Some measures are more liberal, some more authoritarian, but generally speaking the legislation doesn't sound greatly different from that passed by nationalists of right and left in Catalonia in order to restrict the public use of Spanish and thence its private use. The difference is that in Spain national governments rely on coalitions with regional nationalists, and so have no incentive to insist on language rights for Spanish speakers. Maybe Slovakia should apply to become part of Hungary.

So is it in fact true what 3.5 implies, that under...

2009-10-12T18:31:59.312+02:00
So is it in fact true what 3.5 implies, that understanding Slovak provides an understanding of Czech, at least at the level of "basic intelligibility"?

This is distinct from the question of whether Slovaks commonly understand Czech, perhaps by reason of having been taught it or exposed to it or what not.

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so I read Mr. Deak's post too. While it certai...

Anon, first of all, that translation is inaccurat...

Read the law: (2) The employees and state employ...

Yeah, I was talking about the spoken languages. Po...

David, yeah, Polish > Czech works just as well...

Knut Vollebæk was a Christian Democrat Foreign Min...

There I go, laughing all the time about that list ...

No bulbulshit here. (Sorry.)

Twisted ankle, IIRC :)

You didn't happen to apply to Pembroke in '...

John, despite the wording, I don't think the a...

Some measures are more liberal, some more authorit...

So is it in fact true what 3.5 implies, that under...

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